As one who has been sick to death of hearing yang about the 'Southern Strategy' it is quite refreshing to use the internet as a real resource and find out exactly what they are doing today.
Here is a link to the hottest document in the blogosphere. Hosted at Vision Circle and available for posterity.
First is the Kos Scanned Version
This is a zipped file: luntz.zip that contains two PDFs of the scanned original document. I obtained this from The Daily Kos.
Download: luntz.zip
MD5: 50ec69dd29e8933c0a7a060f28842673
Second is the Ball Text Version
This is my PDF of a text transcription. It is not complete as of this posting but should be done by next week.
luntz.zip is not available.
Looked at Ball Text Version.
What I read is about presentation. Getting the feeling part of politics down.
So, today when Michael Steele says it was wrong of the GOP to adopt the Southern Strategy, then he's talking yang and is wrong?
If he wants to be embarrassed and apologize about it, that's up to him. I don't apologize to Vietnamese people whenever I meet them because we had a war there. I don't feel bad about wearing cotton just because my ancestors picked it as slaves. Sometimes focus on the past keeps you from dealing with the present or planning for the future.
The problem is that I can't see anything that studying the Southern Strategy will help. It's like studying the 1984 Rainbow Coalition to try and understand what Howard Dean is going to do with the DNC in 2008. It's like relating to black voters in terms of Jackson's 'Hymietown' remark. The horse is dead. (and the link is fixed)
Posted by: Cobb at March 3, 2005 10:25 PMHe's not apologizing, he's just stating a fact. That's at the core of what I just don't get. Next, he doesn't focus on the past, he acknowledges it and moves on.
Look at what he's doing and you can see he's going for the future.
He's not studying. I'm not studying. I'm just saying what happened.
But right now, it's the GOP who is going into their history. They opened the door.
Fine. Tell the history but tell it all.
Take responsibility.
Zip downloading. Thanks.
Posted by: EBrown at March 3, 2005 11:09 PMI just don't see what the point of bringing it up is. Anyway, I guess I don't emphasize enough that I am not down with the black leaders to pacify the dissatisfied black masses. I want to be down with the fully mainstreamed upper middle class who doesn't need the touchy feely. And rectifying the warm and fuzzies about the Southern Strategy is not part of the patronage I want from the Republicans, because to me it sounds more like patronizing.
Anyway, we've got a lot of reading to do.
Posted by: Cobb at March 4, 2005 12:25 AMOK, I read it.
This is one hell of a good media/public relations piece.
Oh, well, back to painting, coding, parenting...
BTW, what's a good, free, web crawler?
I have a db set up and an app to put it there, now I need a web crawler...
Posted by: EBrown at March 5, 2005 02:17 PMIn one way talking about the southern strategy is tiring. one way to think about parties is simply as collections of diverse interest groups who give support to the parties in exchange for resources both real and imagined. one component of the strategy that is still viable is to work to attract internal terrorists, and apocalyptic christians. the gop is definitely big enough to contain both the cobbs and the david dukes.
but the question is to what degree do the resources given to the david dukes and apocalyptic christians actually take away from the real and imagined resources of the cobbs? and this is before we get to the 90% of us that don't support the gop electorally.
Posted by: Lester Spence at March 5, 2005 10:00 PMBe sure to drop the requisite tab of eclecsia into your formulation as well.., the real and imagined resources funneled into the knuckledragging tip of the right wing are CONSIDERABLE as is the establishment's return on its investment - all neatly concealed in principled, conservative, traditional,and patriotic wrappings - as you know - it's the abstraction of those sacred American *freedoms* that makes us a global object of consternation, never just their brutal or oppressive application to others.
Thoughts and dreams are material.
As narrative sequence they are temporal. As images they are spatial. Possessing connectedness to other parts of our lives and a resistance to efforts to wake up, to stop them, etc.. they are inertial.
Is the space, time and inertia of a thought or dream what we would ordinarily call external physical space, time, and inertia? No, but the space, time, and inertia of thoughts and dreams are functional analogs (the true meaning of symbol vs sign).
To say of anything that it is material is not to say it is made out of some basic stuff. Rather, it is to say it is an inertial set of functional relations to space and time. These co-functional relationships that can be analogically applied to everything >because they are found in everything is what is *real*.
Matter is not some "stuff". Rather, on its own it is an unknown and probably non-existent "X". In physics, it is defined in correlation with energy. Energy, on its own, is likewise an unknown and probably non-existent. i.e., matter and energy are "fictional" co-functional correlates.
Matter was not *stuff* but a set of co-functional mutually defined correlatives involving space, time, and inertia -- inertia is the interconnectedness with the rest of the universe that any entity has, and mass is an abstract measure of how much force would be required to overcome that inertia, that interconnectedness.
Mass is defined as a quantity (not a thing) determined by how much force/energy it takes to overcome the simultaneous (spatial) and sequential (temporal) connectedness (inertia) any entity has with the rest of the cosmos. It's about how much force is required to overcome a universal status quo.
In modern physics, this definition of "inertia" is called "Mach's Principle" which also defines "mass" as the measure of how much inertia (i.e., the interconnectedness) any entity has with the rest of the universe and is an abstract functional measure (number) that gives how much force it would take to overcome and change that interconnectedness (inertia).
Okay, let me emphasize again, matter is not some *stuff*, instead it is an "abstract" element co-defined as part of a functional set of relationships involving space, time, and inertia - that can be applied to everything analogically as a metaphor or symbol.
If given to eclecsia, you'd almost be inclined to think that Luntz, Rove, and the Neocons are sorcerors given the exquisite discipline(s) they apply to symbolic control and signification.
Posted by: cnulan at March 6, 2005 01:42 PM
i'm tired of talking about it, but until people stop calling Blacks stupid, or implying that Blacks are stupid for not voting Republican, then it will keep on from me.
i find it interesting that the "party of responsibility", doesn't take responsibility for what it's done.
Posted by: EBrown at March 3, 2005 07:06 PM