Collective thought, aka group think.
What a concept.
At a GOP convention, Colin Powell said he supported affirmative action and he was booed. No group think there.
Better yet, let a white person agree with Blacks on issues and sooner or later, someone will accuse that white person of being a "guilty white liberal."
So tell me why those who call people "guilty white liberals" are NOT taking part in group think. Aren't they assuming that all whites should think alike?
And if conservatives believe that Blacks don't need Black leaders, why are conservatives trying to pass off people like Jesse Lee Peterson as a Black leader?
Identifying as a "Black conservative". That's not "group think"?
Isn't it interesting that "Black conservatives" seem to have a scream of "victimology" when stating certain things? What's not "group thinking" on the misuse of such a silly phrase?
"At a GOP convention, Colin Powell said he supported affirmative action and he was booed. No group think there."
If this was an example of group think they would have cheered. Group think is not thinking for yourself and going along with your party or group. For political parties we call it partisanship.
"Better yet, let a white person agree with Blacks on issues and sooner or later, someone will accuse that white person of being a 'guilty white liberal.'"
Not true. A "guilty white liberal" is someone who feels that he owes black people for transgressions that other people made. A guilty white liberal is someone who feels guilty for being white, someone who feels responsible for the slavery of past generations. Someone who feels responsible for actions not committed by him. Do you understand?
"So tell me why those who call people 'guilty white liberals' are NOT taking part in group think. Aren't they assuming that all whites should think alike?"
Nobody is assuming that all whites should think alike. Where would you get that idea?
"And if conservatives believe that Blacks don't need Black leaders, why are conservatives trying to pass off people like Jesse Lee Peterson as a Black leader?"
What conservatives are trying to pass off Jesse Lee Peterson as a "Black leader"?
"Identifying as a 'Black conservative'. That's not 'group think'?"
How would it be group think? Explain.
"Isn't it interesting that 'Black conservatives' seem to have a scream of 'victimology' when stating certain things? What's not 'group thinking' on the misuse of such a silly phrase?"
You're kind of vague here. Care to elaborate?
Posted by: likwidshoe at October 6, 2004 04:35 AMYou are correct. I wrote a piece on this on Black Introspection. It is not suprising that the Negro-Cons do not realize they subscribe to group thinking, just not the Black group thinking.
Check out www.Blackintrospection.com.
Posted by: Faheem at October 6, 2004 08:52 AMThe term 'groupthink' applies to any collective of folks who accept rhetoric as 'true' or 'false' on a given issue without introspection or exercising critical thought. While no particular group of folks have the market cornered on dogma and neither are any immune from reflexively acting on propaganda, it's become a popular cop out for self-anointed Black conservatives. My guess is it's a cryptic defense of the bourgeoisie.
Posted by: MIB at October 7, 2004 11:12 AM
You pick the most mundate and strange things to focus on. Nobody on my blog, myself or anyone else, considers Jesse Peterson a "leader of black conservatives", and I challenge you to find anyone on my blog who does, or any other black conservative in general
NewsMax, WorldNetDaily, and Shawn Hannity of Fox News puts Peterson up as a "Black leader."
Challenge met.
You pick the most mundate and strange things to focus on. Nobody on my blog, myself or anyone else, considers Jesse Peterson a "leader of black conservatives", and I challenge you to find anyone on my blog who does, or any other black conservative in general. And by the way, simply because you say words like "groupthink" or "victimhood" and others are "silly" doesn't make them so. They are apt words to describe observable phenomena. If you think the use of the word is inaccurate or silly, demonstrate that instead just calling them "silly."
I take it this is in response to my post since you tracked back, but I see no challenge to my assertions or any of your own. You are merely reacting to the use of "black conservative" and trying to point out a supposed hypocrisy. It has nothing to do with the label. It is the mentality that black people in particular are somehow special and owed something. If a black person happens not to think so, they are not "authentically black" in a sense. The groupthink I refer to is part of a herd mentality that white liberals themselves use to their advantage. That's why white rich idiots like Kerry will get blacks' vote.
If you don't think groupthink exists (or you actually consider yourself an "Independent" - that's funny), then I'll wait to read all about it on your blog.
Posted by: LB at October 6, 2004 03:32 AM